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Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.07 14:18:00 - [1] Lets get something out of the way. I am not a nice person in real life and I am not a nice person in game. I can be mean spirited when the mood arises. I can be sadistic to the point of making someone cry just to see them cry. I can also be kind to animals and bugs (crickets I kill on sight). What keeps me in check in "The Real World" are the "Real World" consequences of my actions. I do not like the thought of spending "quality time" with Bubba in jail. The only consequence in Eve for my unsocial like behavior is the consequences that the other players in Eve seem fit to hand down. I will, and do, perform tasks in this game that should irritate people to the point of blasting my ship to space dust. They do not. They could, and should, war dec the corp I belong to for the things we do in game to other people and be justified in erasing us off the face of Eve. They do not. I play this game the way the Eve Developers have envisioned. I have made my own rules for playing this game. I follow the few rules that CCP has handed down so that I do not get banned for un-CCP like behavior. I invade mission runners dead spaces and take their salvage with nary a word on my part, unless they start the conversation first, or I feel a need to advise them on what they are doing wrong in the mission and how to finish it faster. I have caused mission runners to shoot at me in their missions and have held them for ransom and have blown up their ships after they have paid. It's how I play the game. If you have a problem with my way of playing this game and telling me I am a bad person on the forums will do nothing to stop me from continuing with my play style. In fact it will just encourage me to continue with it. If you truly wish for me to change my ways or somehow remove me from the game so that mission runners will have peace to do their missions you know who I am and by extension you should be able to find me and the corp I belong to in the game. I invite you to make us stop what we are doing with actions and not this "noise" that is in this thread. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.07 15:00:00 - [2] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Traidor Disloyal If you have a problem with my way of playing this game and telling me I am a bad person on the forums will do nothing to stop me from continuing with my play style. I don't have a problem with it and couldn't give a rats arse whether you are that way out of game or not. At least you are fundamentally honest about who you are and don't hide behind excuses. I would also cite your post to all the whiny mission runners in this thread as an example of why the onus is on them to resolve any "difficulties" they have with salvagers and not CCP. After all CCP have given them (the whiny mission runners) the tools to do so in game. I did not try to aim this specifically at you. It is a general response on my part to the posts I have seen over the years of people complaining about the types of actions I and others do in game. It is not my responsibility to change how I play the game to fit others style. It is their responsibility to "whack me upside the head" if I irritate them in game because no one else will do it for them. One of my guiding thoughts in real life is "you are responsible for you, no one else is". ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.13 18:56:00 - [3] Originally by: False Face finding joy in the misery of others is despicable I totally agree with you. I am so going to Hell for killing that Tempest Fleet Issue last night even though he shot first. I think the only redeeming thing about me is that all my little dogs love me and may, just may, put in a good word for me. I would rather go to Doggy Heaven then People Heaven anyway. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.14 20:17:00 - [4] Originally by: EpicFailTroll But since pilots are growing richer -they need less regular isk income-, and more fed up of the general scumbag attitude, they might go vigilante just for the sake of it. As of now, what is the point of going against "bullies"? they'll play the docking game, or just log an alt, and they'll laugh at efforts deployed to get revenge. That's why it doesn't happen. This vigilante crap you talk of will never happen. Heck I know a guy who has been killing mission runners in the same three systems for about 7 months now. One would think those mission runners would learn. But no. It's kind of funny and sad at the same time. I've been doing the same stuff in this game for almost three years now. The population of the server has increased but the attitude of the players I interact with has really not changed that much. A majority are still sheep when it comes to what I do to them in their mission. They wont shoot if I decide to steal from them. They wont wardec even though there are only 5 of us in the whole corp. I stopped playing fair in this game 3 months after I first started playing. I remember cause it was low sec with a guy in a cloaked Recon. After that I always tried to bring overwhelming force to the fight. Be it mission runner killing or Wars, I will never play fair in this game. Fair in this game does not exist to me. And what you say bullies do, docking games, alt reppers, alt spies, I have seen so-called mission running carebears do the same. I don't know, maybe those guys just mission run on the side and are mostly bullies in game. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.15 15:01:00 - [5] Originally by: False Face Traidor Disloyal, it's difficult to fight back when you know the other guy has backup waiting. Your point is valid though: maybe we should bring backup too. Except if you're not in a corp. Maybe that's the bottom line for CCP, forced interaction. Which would be a shame, cause some people are just loners by nature. I'm a worse case scenario kind of guy. I always assume the target has backup. I always keep local up. I always have a way to know when my target has fellow corp members in system. If local spikes with hostiles I will either kill the target fast or try to get out of Dodge. I always assume the target knows what he is doing until he shows me otherwise. And I try to have a way to get my fat ass out of trouble when I have to. When I first started playing this game (not with this character) back in 2003 I tried to play has a loner. It didn't work then and it doesn't really work now. You can get away with being a solo player in WoW (I have played WoW on and off since 2005 and it isn't a bad game) but I don't think that Eve is really a solo player game unless you are only a trader or industry person. It isn't that hard to avoid people like me. The people I interact with I usually only interact with once. That is if they aren't stupid or looking for revenge. I do what I do in this game because I enjoy it. It hit me a long time ago that I don't really care what people think about me. I am what I am. I am not going to change just because someone doesn't like how I play an internet space game within the rules of that game. I really do feel that after a certain amount of time in game people should be kicked out of NPC corporations and join a player one. My main reasoning for this is that I can not seek vengeance against a person who has besmirched my honor when that person is in an NPC corp. It's kind of like hiding behind your Moms skirt. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.15 15:56:00 - [6] Originally by: BlindBleu Like you statement an internet space game. How does a Internet Space game have honor to besmirch? I just like saying "you have besmirched my honor in my internet space game so prepare to die you s**sucking ass wipe puppy dog kicking carebear mission running mommas boy!". It just rolls off the tongue like ice cream on a hot summer day. I don't RP, I just like to say/write besmirched. What? You got a problem with that? *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.15 18:26:00 - [7] Originally by: False Face In any event, I think the article makes it clear: Most of you are dumb kids who haven't developed a true conscience or morals and have no clue what empathy is or what it means. If you did, you wouldn't do it. There are lots of things in game and in RL that you COULD do, but that doesn't mean that you SHOULD. That's my last bit on this. Nice to see how easy it is to troll the trollers. When I get my first billion together (3/4 of the way!), Suddenly Ninjas will be first on the list I hand over to the mercs. When I go through your killboards, etc., you show remarkably few kills for 130 members. And the kills are made mainly by the same people. The number of posts on your boards, blogs, etc. are very sparse. Me thinks your member number is highly inflated with alts, etc, and the real number of members is substantially lower. For all your talk, i don't think you could withstand a full blown assault from a Merc corp with real skills. One day, I'll get to test my theory. I bolded the part I loved. Another reason I love this game is that people treat me like a dumb kid. Ah, to be a dumb kid again. Even though I have the body of a 52 year old fat man (got to love them man boobs) at least I can say I have the heart of a dumb kid. All you have is 750 million isk? Dang, you be poor. Dude do you know how it works with Mercs and the type of people you want to war dec? The ones like Suddenly Ninja laugh at your naively. Please do spend that isk on the Mercs. I'm sure the Ninja guys will get a laugh out of it. And I hear R.E.P.O. is a good outfit when it comes to mercs. They might be a bit pricey though. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.16 17:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Mintala Arana Overall, I would suggest that you are using an overly broad brush to paint your picture of ninja salvagers as bullies. Agreed, I think it is very one dimensional for either side of the discussion to assume that salvagers are bullying anyone. Simply broken down you have the following: 1) Those who are salvaging and RPing (whoever said earlier that EvE doesn't have the RPing opportunities of WoW is a world class idiot) the character. A very small minority of players do this. The player isn't seeking to offend anyone, the character might be, but deliberately annoying anyone isn't intended. 2) Those who are salvaging for the ISKies. Again, no annoyance intended, they're not seeking to provoke anyone and are likely to be on receiving end of abuse. 3) Those who are salvaging with the intent of provoking/upsetting/distressing another player. The activity is largely irrelevant, as long as it is faciliate a negative reaction from another player. ISKies gained are an incidental, they just want to annoy another person for fun and the game is the vehicle for doing this. Doesn't have to be Eve, could be any other online game, heck it doesn't even have to be a game. The focus of the discussion is on those who fall under 3) rather than 1 or 2. There is one more type: 4) Those who are salvaging and looting with the intent of provoking/upsetting/distressing a certain type of mission running player. They do this mostly for financial gain. They scan down Battleships, Marauders, Command Ships, and Elite Battleships. They do not bother with smaller fish, unless those fish get in the way. They do this to ransom the player and once they get the ransom (or don't get the ransom) they then blow the players ship up to get the loot. Some of the time the loot can be worth billions and sometimes only a couple hundred million. They do not do this out of spite (most of em anyway). They do this because they do not like running missions, mining, trading, manufacturing, or any of the other types of ways to make isk in game. These types of players have found it more lucrative to farm mission runners then farming missions. It takes less time to farm mission runners then missions for these players. For myself, cause that is the only person in the world I can truly speak for, the justification I give myself when doing the above is: If the mission runner shoots at me then that means he wants to participate in PvP. So he must know what he is doing and thus I have no qualms about what happens to him or me do to the actions we both performed to get to the end point of our little confrontation. I know people who do this and they are not role playing. So I don't think it fall under your #1. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.05.26 04:01:00 - [9] This thing is still going? To the mission runners who are still complaining about how it is unfair that people come into their mission and take the salvage from the wreaks: To bad, get over it. I will probe down mission runners because I find it entertaining. I will loot and salvage the wreaks because I can. You have no way of stopping me other then shooting the wreaks or taking a ahot at me. And if by chance the mission runner decides to try and pop my ship I will loot and salvage the mission runners wreak. Sometimes the stuff out of the mission runners wreak is worth more then the salvage from the mission itself. If you don't like what I do then war dec me. I am fairly certain I will survive your onslaught. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.05.26 14:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Anda Chiyo Edited by: Anda Chiyo on 26/05/2009 06:39:18 Edited by: Anda Chiyo on 26/05/2009 06:38:54 Originally by: Traidor Disloyal This thing is still going? To the mission runners who are still complaining about how it is unfair that people come into their mission and take the salvage from the wreaks: To bad, get over it. I will probe down mission runners because I find it entertaining. I will loot and salvage the wreaks because I can. You have no way of stopping me other then shooting the wreaks or taking a shot at me. And if by chance the mission runner decides to try and pop my ship I will loot and salvage the mission runners wreak. Sometimes the stuff out of the mission runners wreak is worth more then the salvage from the mission itself. If you don't like what I do then war dec me. I am fairly certain I will survive your onslaught. This statement and others like it give mission runners one viable solution: shoot the wrecks. Especially considering some ninja salvager's here have already commented on how it's a "stupid thing to do". Go for it. Shoot the wreaks cause I don't care. You will miss one or maybe you wont. If you care about the salvage then you loose money. If you don't care about the salvage but do care about the loot you are still loosing money. And if you don't care about either loot or salvage then you are wasting time. It doesn't matter to me. My entertainment is showing mission runners that High Sec is not safe, it's just safer. And I don't care about mission hubs. I do know where a lot of level 4 mission agents reside that are not in mission hubs. And I can still find mission runners in those less populated systems. So, by all means, run. I can still find you where ever you go. I use to be a mission runner. I know how you think. And one of you, during the night, will shoot at me for getting between you and your precious loot/salvage. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.

Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.05.26 18:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Anda Chiyo As I said before, many a time it is more profitable not to loot anyway. Following my advice (it really seems you don't want them following my advice... wonder why... hmm), the mission runner wastes a whopping 1-2 minutes popping the wrecks and then getting on with things. I guess I need to be more specific. I don't care what the mission runner does. Shoot the wreaks, don't shoot the wreaks. It's all good to me. Originally by: Anda Chiyo You're expending a bit more time than that in seeking him out. edit:Plus now you're not making any isk at all (the runner is still making isk), and not getting the satisfaction of upsetting said runner. Plus there is satisfaction in popping them as the ninja goes for them. It's quite entertaining. Sort of like playing an old fashioned game of pinball. I like finding mission runners. They like running missions. Who said I needed to make isk? I have a character that has run missions for three years, never in a mission hub, always in a system far far away from a mission hub. And not once during that time did anyone come into the missions. I have more then enough isk to enjoy myself that I have gotten from the mission running character and from salvaging mission runners. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.06.15 18:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Antoine Roquentin It's so annoying when you're waiting for salvage and the noob is having to warp out twice just to kill one BS. Couple of times I have tanked the room for em. And once I actually offered advice on how best to finish the mission. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.

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